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Technical reasons to consolidate a distributed E2K3 Org ?

Author
8 Nov 2005 8:26 AM
Luca
Hi, We have a very large and distributed Exchange 2003 Organization (+280
servers) and increasing. We would like to consolidate and reduce the total
number of servers but our branch offices are fairly independent and need to
be convinced to accept a consolidation. In our case technical arguments would
be more convincing than financial ones.
We have had some issues with Link State tables in the past but the situation
is stabilized now.

I wonder if you can help gathering some technical arguments in favor of
consolidation to present to the management.
Apart from that, are there any limitations to the size of an Exchange
organization in terms of Sites, Servers, Routing Groups, etc. or even users ?
I suppose that one can not just keep on adding servers indefinitely, what
will happen if you do so, what are the problems that may occur ?

Thanks for your help, Luca.

Author
8 Nov 2005 9:40 AM
Mark Arnold [MVP]
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:26:03 -0800, "Luca"
<L***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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>Hi, We have a very large and distributed Exchange 2003 Organization (+280
>servers) and increasing. We would like to consolidate and reduce the total
>number of servers but our branch offices are fairly independent and need to
>be convinced to accept a consolidation. In our case technical arguments would
>be more convincing than financial ones.
>We have had some issues with Link State tables in the past but the situation
>is stabilized now.
>
>I wonder if you can help gathering some technical arguments in favor of
>consolidation to present to the management.
>Apart from that, are there any limitations to the size of an Exchange
>organization in terms of Sites, Servers, Routing Groups, etc. or even users ?
>I suppose that one can not just keep on adding servers indefinitely, what
>will happen if you do so, what are the problems that may occur ?
>
>Thanks for your help, Luca.

Technical reasons are secondary here. If you have good links then the
reasons for you to maintain so many servers is reduced. If you have
bad links between locations then there is no technical reason to
consolidate. Get what I'm saying? You telling us that there are 280
servers and you want reasons to reduce them is nowhere near enough.

What I will say is that unless you are the Exchange architect for
Siemens AG (and I know you aren't) then 280 servers is an enormous
number and I would suggest, without risk of contradiction, that you
have too many Exchange 2003 servers given what links and connectivity
options you have now.

Anyway, 280 servers is costing a kings ransom to support. Don't even
go near technical reasons on this one. Take a look at your data centre
and the links. Then plan on which ones you can beef up and remove the
servers for.
Author
8 Nov 2005 10:15 AM
Luca
Thanks Mark for your reply,

I understand what you are saying but let’s say that we have a special case
and technical arguments are primary here. Appart from financial reasons I can
think of reasons such as: better control, improved security, less
administrator playing with systems, etc. etc.
But what if we did not consolidate, what could go wrong if we kept on adding
new servers for each new branch office, are there any limits ?
Luca.

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"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:26:03 -0800, "Luca"
> <L***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi, We have a very large and distributed Exchange 2003 Organization (+280
> >servers) and increasing. We would like to consolidate and reduce the total
> >number of servers but our branch offices are fairly independent and need to
> >be convinced to accept a consolidation. In our case technical arguments would
> >be more convincing than financial ones.
> >We have had some issues with Link State tables in the past but the situation
> >is stabilized now.
> >
> >I wonder if you can help gathering some technical arguments in favor of
> >consolidation to present to the management.
> >Apart from that, are there any limitations to the size of an Exchange
> >organization in terms of Sites, Servers, Routing Groups, etc. or even users ?
> >I suppose that one can not just keep on adding servers indefinitely, what
> >will happen if you do so, what are the problems that may occur ?
> >
> >Thanks for your help, Luca.
>
> Technical reasons are secondary here. If you have good links then the
> reasons for you to maintain so many servers is reduced. If you have
> bad links between locations then there is no technical reason to
> consolidate. Get what I'm saying? You telling us that there are 280
> servers and you want reasons to reduce them is nowhere near enough.
>
> What I will say is that unless you are the Exchange architect for
> Siemens AG (and I know you aren't) then 280 servers is an enormous
> number and I would suggest, without risk of contradiction, that you
> have too many Exchange 2003 servers given what links and connectivity
> options you have now.
>
> Anyway, 280 servers is costing a kings ransom to support. Don't even
> go near technical reasons on this one. Take a look at your data centre
> and the links. Then plan on which ones you can beef up and remove the
> servers for.
>
Author
8 Nov 2005 6:49 PM
Mark Arnold [MVP]
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 02:15:04 -0800, "Luca"
<L***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Thanks Mark for your reply,
>
>I understand what you are saying but let’s say that we have a special case
>and technical arguments are primary here. Appart from financial reasons I can
>think of reasons such as: better control, improved security, less
>administrator playing with systems, etc. etc.
>But what if we did not consolidate, what could go wrong if we kept on adding
>new servers for each new branch office, are there any limits ?
>Luca.
>

There are limits to the number of Routing Groups you can cope with,
IIRC it was about 150 but I'd need to check that again as I'm getting
old and I think that was only for E2K anyway. There aren't any issues
with shoving servers at it like it's raining Exchange licences.

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