>
> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin
> Just another confused user

>
>"Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>
>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of approx
>> 14Gb.
>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>
>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>
>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>
>Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in your
>application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance will tell you
>how much disk space you can recover - sometimes, often, it's just not worth
>it. When you say you're looking at the database size from system manager,
>what do you mean, exactly - adding up mailbox sizes? Remember, there are
>other things that take up space too, such as deleted item retention.
>
>If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run eseutil -
>and don't run it if you can't recover more than a pittance. It is not meant
>to be run as a part of your regular administrative tasks. Just keep an eye
>on things and make sure you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go
>over your limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>
>http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>
>
>
>>
>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Martin
>> Just another confused user
>

> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>
> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>
> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>
> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>
> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>
> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>
> What I would like to understand
>
> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
> How do I stop this behaviour?

>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>> approx 14Gb.
>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>
>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>
>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>
>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in your
>> application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance will
>> tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes, often,
>> it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the database
>> size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly - adding up
>> mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that take up space
>> too, such as deleted item retention.
>>
>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>
>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> Just another confused user
>>
>
> Martin
> Just another confused user

news:O3vJIG97FHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>
> In news:2cn5o15q5esj3g33ucbnevt9tosj8shh52@4ax.com,
> Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>>
>> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>>
>> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
>> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>>
>> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
>> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>>
>> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
>> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>>
>> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
>> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
>> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>>
>> What I would like to understand
>>
>> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
>> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
>> How do I stop this behaviour?
>
> I don't think you do stop it. I'm not sure what you're looking at, but you
> should trust the final 1221 message per store. May I ask why you're
> worrying about this?
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>>> approx 14Gb.
>>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>>
>>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>>
>>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in your
>>> application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance will
>>> tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes, often,
>>> it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the database
>>> size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly - adding up
>>> mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that take up space
>>> too, such as deleted item retention.
>>>
>>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>>
>>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>> Just another confused user
>>>
>>
>> Martin
>> Just another confused user
>
>

> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:O3vJIG97FHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> In news:2cn5o15q5esj3g33ucbnevt9tosj8shh52@4ax.com,
>> Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>>> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>>>
>>> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>>>
>>> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
>>> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>>>
>>> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
>>> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>>>
>>> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
>>> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>>>
>>> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
>>> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
>>> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>>>
>>> What I would like to understand
>>>
>>> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
>>> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
>>> How do I stop this behaviour?
>>
>> I don't think you do stop it. I'm not sure what you're looking at,
>> but you should trust the final 1221 message per store. May I ask why
>> you're worrying about this?
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>>>> approx 14Gb.
>>>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in
>>>> your application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance
>>>> will tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes,
>>>> often, it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the
>>>> database size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly -
>>>> adding up mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that
>>>> take up space too, such as deleted item retention.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>>>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>>>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>>>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>>>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>>>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>>>
>>>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> Just another confused user
>>>>
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> Just another confused user
>>
>>
>
> Is Exchange SP2 out already for SBS2003?

>
>
>In news:2cn5o15q5esj3g33ucbnevt9tosj8shh52@4ax.com,
>Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>>
>> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>>
>> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
>> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>>
>> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
>> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>>
>> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
>> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>>
>> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
>> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
>> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>>
>> What I would like to understand
>>
>> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
>> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
>> How do I stop this behaviour?
>
>I don't think you do stop it. I'm not sure what you're looking at, but you
>should trust the final 1221 message per store. May I ask why you're worrying
>about this?
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>>> approx 14Gb.
>>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>>
>>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>>
>>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in your
>>> application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance will
>>> tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes, often,
>>> it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the database
>>> size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly - adding up
>>> mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that take up space
>>> too, such as deleted item retention.
>>>
>>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>>
>>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>> Just another confused user
>>>
>>
>> Martin
>> Just another confused user
>

>
>
> Martin
>
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In news:2cn5o15q5esj3g33ucbnevt9tosj8shh52@4ax.com,
>> Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>>> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>>>
>>> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>>>
>>> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
>>> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>>>
>>> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
>>> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>>>
>>> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
>>> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>>>
>>> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
>>> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
>>> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>>>
>>> What I would like to understand
>>>
>>> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
>>> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
>>> How do I stop this behaviour?
>>
>> I don't think you do stop it. I'm not sure what you're looking at,
>> but you should trust the final 1221 message per store. May I ask why
>> you're worrying about this?
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>>>> approx 14Gb.
>>>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in
>>>> your application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance
>>>> will tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes,
>>>> often, it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the
>>>> database size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly -
>>>> adding up mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that
>>>> take up space too, such as deleted item retention.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>>>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>>>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>>>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>>>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>>>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>>>
>>>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> Just another confused user
>>>>
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> Just another confused user
>>
>
> Martin
> Just another confused user

>
>
>In news:5ncbo1t0vkj4eaujgbi3nvqo06v93naosc@4ax.com,
>Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>> The problem arises as the first 1221 entry (the first online defrag?)
>> shows 5Gb recoverable, but by the last this has reduced to 210Mb.  if
>> I then run eseutil, it is only the 210MB that gets removed.
>
>Because that's all it found it as whitespace after online maintenance ran.
>That's all there is.
>>
>> Background
>>
>> I need to load, de-duplicate, re-organise and then remove a series of
>> archives for a user.  Adding these in will add approx 15Gb. Based on
>> what is currently happening, when I re-archive and remove from the
>> store,  I will only be able to remove this 15Gb (and the current 5Gb)
>> at a rate of 210Mb per run.
>
>No, I don't think so. See what happens after you've removed more data.
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In news:2cn5o15q5esj3g33ucbnevt9tosj8shh52@4ax.com,
>>> Martin Smulian <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> typed:
>>>> I have looked at the 1221 events and am now even more confused.
>>>>
>>>> I typically have 4 or 5 1221 events each night.
>>>>
>>>> On the first run it shows approx 5Gb of free space, on each
>>>> subsequent run this drops to 218mb.
>>>>
>>>> The first run finishes between 9 and 10 pm,  the remainder between
>>>> 1:45 am and 4:30 am
>>>>
>>>> In System Manager.. Mailbox Store..Properties the Maintenance
>>>> Interval  is Custom (9:00 pm to 2:00 am).
>>>>
>>>> Checking the Registry the "Database Size Check Start Time in Hours
>>>> From Midnight" is at the default 5, but there is no corresponding
>>>> 1221 entry (which I would expect between 5:45 and 6:00 am.
>>>>
>>>> What I would like to understand
>>>>
>>>> Why is the online defragmentation running more than once each night?
>>>> Why is the White space reduced for the 2nd and subsequent defrags?
>>>> How do I stop this behaviour?
>>>
>>> I don't think you do stop it. I'm not sure what you're looking at,
>>> but you should trust the final 1221 message per store. May I ask why
>>> you're worrying about this?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Martin Smulian" <mar***@msmulian.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:j6h3o1hruqe6i1vrkco82on1kvvp00t9se@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the database size from Ssytem Manger, shows a size of
>>>>>> approx 14Gb.
>>>>>> The size on disk is approx 18Gb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have run Eseutil, but the size reduction was only about 0.2 Gb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas what may be going wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps nothing. Before running ESEUTIL, always best to look in
>>>>> your application event logs for 1221 events - online maintenance
>>>>> will tell you how much disk space you can recover - sometimes,
>>>>> often, it's just not worth it. When you say you're looking at the
>>>>> database size from system manager, what do you mean, exactly -
>>>>> adding up mailbox sizes? Remember, there are other things that
>>>>> take up space too, such as deleted item retention.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't have a serious need to recover whitespace, don't run
>>>>> eseutil - and don't run it if you can't recover more than a
>>>>> pittance. It is not meant to be run as a part of your regular
>>>>> administrative tasks. Just keep an eye on things and make sure
>>>>> you're using mailbox quotas that ensure you won't go over your
>>>>> limits (now 75GB in SP2 if you "unlock" it from 18GB)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2005/11/exchange_2003_s.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am running SBS2003 with Exchange SP2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> Just another confused user
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>> Just another confused user
>>>
>>
>> Martin
>> Just another confused user
>